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Speaker: Chuck
All right, welcome back everyone to the Dissident Dispatch. Today we have a very special guest. I hope you enjoy the show.
Cathy O’Brien is an internationally recognized US Government Whistleblower and probably the world’s most well known survivor of MK Ultra mind control.
As a young child Cathy was sold by her sexually abusive father into Project Monarch, a sub-project of secret CIA sponsored MK Ultra mind control experiments, where she was sexually abused and trafficked at a White House level, spanning multiple administrations.
After decades of abuse by some of the world’s most well known elite politicians, Cathy and her daughter, who was born into the nefarious program, were fortunate enough to have been covertly rescued from their enslavement by a fearless US Government Intelligence insider, named Mark Phillips.
Mark hid Cathy and her daughter, helping both of them to heal from their traumatizing mind control abuse.
Through this process Mark and Cathy became soulmates and motivated justice pursuing activists.
They traveled the world together educating people about illegal secret mind control projects and their horrible effects on victims, they testified before a United States Congressional Intelligence Oversight committee, only to have their testimony sealed for reasons of National Security, and they authored three books, titled; ACCESS DENIED For Reasons Of National Security, PTSD: Time To Heal and TRANCE Formation of America.
Cathy’s story is also told in a beautifully produced, powerful documentary titled Trance.
Though Mark passed away in 2017, Cathy continues to shed light on the evil darkness of the New World Order’s mind control, pedophile promoting agenda.
Cathy’s life story, is a story of unspeakable abuse, heroic rescue, deep healing, awe-inspiring survival, laser focused activism and everlasting love.
Cathy O’Brien, welcome to the Dissident Dispatch.
Speaker: Cathy
Thank you so much. I'm so pleased to be here to bring this truth to light because people are waking up these days and asking what in the world is going on. And I witnessed and experienced what's going on, what this plan is for the New World Order, while I was deep in the swamp in Washington, DC among the perpetrators, who are ushering in this slave society agenda by using mind control on a global scale. Mind control is very pervasive. Knowledge is our defense against it.
So I'm really happy to be here bringing this truth to light so people are empowered to understand what's going on and have a defense against it.
Speaker: Chuck
Well, thank you, I really appreciate you being here, you are our first guest, and I couldn't feel more privileged that you're here. I'm sure you hear this on almost every podcast, but I think the best way to get started, and it's the most powerful thing you could do, is just kind of tell us your story.
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Speaker: Cathy
Well, I was born into a multigenerational incest based family In 1957. My family had been sexually abused, my family had been ritually abused. My grandfather had a blue Masonic Lodge, where local politicians were hanging out and my father's sexual abuse of me as an infant wasn't anything that I could determine was wrong. But my brain knew what was wrong. My brain, we have such amazing minds and bodies and spirits. Our brains are just phenomenal.
We need to understand our own mind brain function. But that information has been suppressed for a long, long time, so that mind control could proliferate. And the mind brain function, when trauma occurs, the brain actually shuts down neuron pathways in the brain to compartmentalize memory of traumatic events so the rest of the mind can function normally.
Trauma is the basis of mind control, they found that with the Hitler Himler research that came over with Project Paperclip. We didn't win World War Two we imported the Nazi and fascist scientists over here, and with them came the formula for MK Ultra mind control.
In their studies they found that when children are sexually abused, when you have three generations of incest in a family, when you have three generations of any kind of abuse, any kind of knowledge, any kind of belief system, three generations it becomes autogenic in our brains. And that's something we need to understand, because this has been going on now, for a long, long time.
When we understand that children like myself were targeted for mind control because of that effect, we start understanding why the pedophile agenda is being imposed so hard, and why our children are being sexualized, it’s because it was found that this is the ultimate trauma. It leaves a person highly suggestible and easily lead. In the conscious mind the neural pathways shut down, they leave the subconscious mind wide open to be easily led. After three generations, babies are just born compliant. It wasn't that I decided that what my father was doing was wrong, I couldn't think to make that decision. But my brain knew it was my defense mechanism, it is something that we all have. And we all need to understand that when trauma occurs, our suggestibility is heightened. When we have national traumas, we have to safeguard our free thought, that's when we have to be vigilant to protect it.
This information is pertinent information on mind brain function that has been suppressed under national security, under a blanket of national security, ever since it was brought over through Project Paperclip.
That's an important fact that should be in society. This is our birthright, it’s how our brains work. But nevertheless, it's been suppressed from society, from education and from mental health. It can be very difficult for people to heal from any level of trauma, whether it was childhood abuse, or childhood sexual abuse, or whether it's a national trauma.
We need to start understanding these mind brain functions because they've been used for a long time. So long, in fact, that my father was caught sending child pornography of me through the US mail back in like 1960, we're talking way back. He was approached by a local politician at my grandfather's blue Masonic Lodge, and told that he could receive immunity from prosecution if he would sell me into the project.
When we think on that, we know our justice system is corrupted. We've seen how horrific it is, this has been going on my whole life. I mean, even back then, national security was sanctioning pedophilia, sanctioning the rape of a child, sanctioning not only the child pornography, but the way my father was trafficking me to those politicians at the Blue Masonic Lodge.
So this is the kind of thing that has been going on for a long time. And right now, people are just now waking up to realize that we share this planet with some very dark perpetrators with an adverse agenda, and our children are targeted.
We need to know this is nothing new, just because it might look new to some people, this has been going on my whole life.
I'm so happy that people are finally starting to recognize it and wake up and start protecting the children because this has been going on right in plain sight. It's not just in underground bunkers. It's not. It's not just in these deep underground bases and everything else. Much of it goes on right in plain sight. But people didn't think to look for it, they didn't know to look for that because information on mind brain function and the effects of trauma and the human mind had been suppressed for so long that we didn't even recognize it anymore, when it was happening right in front of us.
So this is a great time for us to arm ourselves with truth. educate ourselves and be able to vigilantly protect our free thought going forward. We need to reclaim it, retain it, and then protect it going forward, and knowledge is our defense against it.
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Speaker: Chuck
One reason a lot of people didn't know what was going on and haven’t until recently is that there just wasn't a free flow of information. Whereas now there's really no excuse for ignorance and these types of things. Now, granted, the internet is a minefield of disinformation, but it's pretty easy now to find information that this type of stuff is going on.
Speaker: Cathy
Trauma is the basis of mind control. Mind control is a sliding scale from the kind of robotic MK Ultra mind control that I experienced on a White House Pentagon level, to information control.
We all formulate our thoughts or opinions and actions based on what we know. And we need to know that knowledge is deliberately altered through controlled media, and through our education system. Because information came over with Project Paperclip on what was being taught to children to create Hitler's youth in Nazi Germany. That's accelerated in our school system now, especially with technological advancements, like computerization. There is no accident, what's happening in our school system, history has been rewritten to promote the New World Order slave society. It's been rewritten so children don't even know what our constitutional values are in this country anymore. It's been our children who have been deliberately manipulated and indoctrinated to accept knowledge being pumped into their head, they're being taught what to think, not how to think anymore.
We need to understand our children are targeted. They want three generations of belief systems of abuse, this pedophile agenda being promoted to the extent that it is, they want that so that people are born more compliant. Because this is all about a slave society agenda, where a handful of big guys make all the money, and we do all the work. It's absolutely inexcusable, that we allow this to go on once we are aware of what is happening and arm ourselves with truth that makes us free. Once we understand that and start researching for ourselves, instead of relying on fact checkers to tell us what to believe. We're going to be learning to expand our thinking again, and reclaim our free thought. But it's something that everybody everywhere needs to start doing for themselves.
Now we have to take back our personal sovereignty in order to take back our national sovereignty. Because we've all been indoctrinated with misinformation and suppression of truth for a long, long time.
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Speaker: Chuck
I agree. What are your feelings now? How do you see things going, in the future? I mean, you've been from the most extreme part of the spectrum, through the bed of the New World Order so to speak. Here we are now. These national traumas you're talking about, I assume the attack on 9-11, COVID, these reoccurring mass shootings, school shootings. Get everybody, you know, scared… repeated over and over in the media to keep us all afraid, and looking for our controllers to give us an answer. How do you see society right now, after everything we've been through where we are now? Are you positive?
Speaker: Cathy
Oh, very! People used to wait on big government to fix everything for them. They were conditioned for so long. That really changed significantly in 2016 and it continues changing now as people keep waking up to the fact that big government is not going to fix this problem for us, big government is doing it to us. And it's up to us to start taking back our communities and our freedoms and for us to protect our children.
People are gaining a deep understanding of what in the world is going on. Because in in 2016, we were shown for the first time what the New World Order is all about. It was referred to as the swamp. And this criminal action that's been going on, whose funding mechanism is drug and human trafficking, across open borders, we finally were able to see the extent of drug and human trafficking.
It's well known now that especially child sex trafficking is the most lucrative business in the world. That's where the most money is. And at this point, we need to close our borders, and stop funding this New World Order. When we stop funding them and allowing them to have their funding mechanism, they only have as much power as we let them have. It's up to us to take a stand against them and say, okay, let's defund the New World Order, close the borders, and then they can have nothing and be happy and we can resume our lives the way that they're intended to be in light of freedom, peace, truth and love.
So I've seen a huge great awakening happening and I'm so thrilled to see that the people are starting to wonder what in the world is going on? And they're not looking for the government or controlled media. Which the media is the voice for only a small handful of perpetrators. They use the controlled media as a voice to appear to be bigger than they are. They aren't. There's just a handful of unelected perpetrators that we need to stop following.
Why are we following these leaders that we didn't elect? We need to remember who we really are, why we're here, why we're here at this pivotal point in time and take back our freedom, because I know from my life's experience in MK Ultra mind control that without free thought, there is no free will. And with no free will, there's no soul expression. Without soul expression, we don't have that strength for the human spirit to take a stand against this and stop complying with the demands and start protecting our children.
Start talking to each other again, get out into society and realize it's not each other that's the problem. It's a small handful of perpetrators that want us all fighting with each other so that we don't look at them. Follow the money, you’re going to find the same people. People are becoming empowered. And communities, people have become active in their communities. Again, parents are getting active in the schools again, you know, the federal government has no business meddling in the minds of our children. It's up to us to get back to be active in the school system to ensure that our children are taught how to think rather than indoctrinated with what to think. And to protect them from this pedophile agenda that's being pushed through the the teachers unions and the Whole New World Order agenda.
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Speaker: Chuck
Absolutely. Amen, Amen. That's why my kid’s homeschooled.
Speaker: Cathy
Go ahead. Yeah. A lot of people are doing that these days. I'm so happy to see it.
Speaker: Chuck
Or unschooled I should say.
Speaker: Cathy
Yes Thinking free. Well, you know, when Mark Phillips rescued me right out of the swamp in 1988, he was working the highest levels of intelligence, mind sciences. Mark was a spook, he wore many hats. He could be FBI, CIA, Secret Service, whatever he needed to be, he was that high up in intelligence. And he was working mind sciences because he was very much interested in preserving the sanctity of free thought. And while he was studying that, he found that information on simple mind brain function, our defense against mind control, was suppressed under a blanket national security. It's simple information. And yet, it's imperative that we all remember it, it's within us all. To reclaim these abilities. It's within us all to have our protection against mind control. It's within us all to heal from any level of trauma, or any level of mind manipulation that we're being exposed to, we just need to remember that it is within us.
And so when Mark rescued my daughter and me right out of the swamp, he handed me the keys to my own mind. Mark did not deprogram me, he reminded me that it's within myself to heal. He told me, he said, “The pen is mightier than the sword.” That's such an important key because that simple aspect of mind brain function has been deliberately omitted from our school systems now, because it's a way of critically analyzing information. He told me to write out my memory, to write out what had happened, write out those traumas, with a pen and pad not not typing, typing doesn't do the same brain thing.
So it takes the repressed memory that was shut down in those neuron pathways, shifts that over to logic, where it can be written out onto paper consciously seen, and all of a sudden you got healing going on. Psychiatric, psychological, emotional, you got your healing on all these levels all at once.
Reclaiming free thought reclaims that strength of the human spirit again, to be able to stand up and say no more, to be able to protect our children. The strength of the human spirit is so resilient.
I learned. I remembered everything, not only what I had experienced, but the amazing resiliency that we've all been blessed with. We have these amazing immune systems, we have all this strength within us. And this ability to heal and to bounce back from whatever negativity is being imposed on us. But we have to rise above that negativity, because negativity is demobilizing. That's why we're bombarded with so much of it.
These perpetrators feed off of negativity anyway, anything fear, hate, anything like that, because not only can they control us that way, but that's just their energy and their vibe. It's what they like. What scares them the most, is the strength of the human spirit, and the power of love. Because they can't control it, they can't stop it. They know, that's where we win, and where they lose. They're only way to keep us from being able to express our strength of spirit is through mind control. That's what the whole mind control agenda is about.
So without the ability to have the free thought to stand up for the things that we believe in, and to make a difference in our own communities, then they're able to manipulate us like they have to this point, but people are catching on to it.
They're reclaiming their free thought, they're picking up the pen, they're writing out their greatest fears. They're writing out their traumas, they're realizing the power of that pen, and being able to reclaim their own personal sovereignty.
I always remind people, that what Mark taught me “voice, no negatives without a solution.” Because when Mark told me to “voice, no negatives, without a solution”, I didn't get to sit around and complain about everything that had happened, and all my fears for humanity, and what this New World Order agenda was about, I didn't get to complain. Instead, I had to think of a solution. I had lost my free thought for 30 years, and had no ability to think on my own, so I had to exercise my brain and start getting it to fire in new ways, open those neuron pathways in my own brain, to be able to think free.
And thinking in terms of a solution allowed for that, it lifted me above the negativity, and allowed me to see forward. It's like rising above the storm and getting a clearer vision of the beauty of all that life has to offer, and how simple it is that when we reclaim our free thought, and our strength of spirit, we win! Game over, they lose! That's what they're so scared of. They're scared of our strength of the human spirit and the power of love.
When we stop snap judging each other and criticizing and blaming each other for everything and unite in common bond of freedom, and free thought, and protecting the children, and defunding this New World Order by stopping their funding mechanism of drugs, and human trafficking over open borders. When we do all that it's so simple, because then we win.
We just simply need to stop complying with their mandates and understand what it is that manipulated us to do it to begin with. That is, our brains freeze with fear in the trauma. And then we're easily led and manipulated through the controlled media voice. They'll use repetitive commands, like “mask up”, “social distance” they'll bombard us with those repetitive commands. That's what we need to be aware of, when we understand that we're like, “I’m not going to listen to that.. no, I'm not going to do that.”
Shut off the TV, go take a walk outside, breathe in the air. We need that oxygen to our brain for critical analysis, free thought. Get out, listen to the birds, listen to nature, interact with each other and reconnect.
Reground with the beauty of this planet again and realize that our free thought and our freedom, our sole purpose in being here at this pivotal moment in time is all about love. And it's all about peace. And it's all about strength of the human spirit and reclaiming that. We win. They lose. In so many ways.
This is a spiritual battle. And in so many ways, it's a total mental battle. But all in all, it's to enslave us all. And that's not how we're intended to live. I celebrate every day that I am free to live the love that I am true to soul, and live my life's purpose to be able to make a positive difference. Bringing truth to light, to take the negative of my past and turn it into a positive, to empower others to reclaim their free thought too. And together, we can all move forward. In light of the love that we're supposed to be living.
Speaker: Chuck
Well, I would say you did a good job because your your mind is obviously firing on all cylinders. I think there are few people who could articulate what you just said, as well, as you said it.
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I appreciate that. Well, Mark told me I, of course, I loved him, and Kelly and I were safe with him. I didn't know good people even existed in the world, and here he is just this amazing, brilliant, brilliant purpose living love. What a soul, what a spirit, his integrity and his fortitude. You know, I just, I just fell in love, and he didn't want anything to do with me, because he said, “You have to heal first, you have to know who you are, in order to have anything to give in a relationship.” Wow! Was that motivation for me to heal, so, you know, I was writing faster, because I needed to know who I am.
Once I remembered my past, I knew what I had been through, it seemed that was so contrary to my whole being. People would say, “you have to love yourself.” And it's like, how could I love myself, after what I saw being done, what the plan is in this New World Order Agenda? How could I possibly love myself? I had to find out who I am. And I looked deep inside to the energy of my being because I couldn't formulate who I am, based on other people's opinions of me that I've been subjected to my whole life. I pretty much kind of determined that might be what ego is, it’s our perception of self from outside ourselves, rather than who we really are.
So I looked way deep, went to the energy of my being and found it to be love. It was like, okay, well, I'll just live the love I am and then I don't have to worry about loving myself. Because it's just so much easier to live the love I am. And now I have this infinite strength, this infinite source, this infinite capacity of who I really am.
And Mark told me that now that I was consciously aware, that I was responsible for all of my actions going forward. What I experienced under mind control, what I was tortured to do, was what they wanted, not what I wanted, but I am responsible for all of my actions going forward. What a cool thing, you know, I hear people like, oh, I don't want the responsibility. And to me, it's an ability to respond. Wow, what a freedom that is. I get to choose to respond according to my own soul, my own life's purpose, in order to make sure that I live my integrity, that I live my life's purpose, that I shine the light of truth, that I live that who I always was intended to be.
It's so exciting to get to live life's purpose. I wouldn't want it to be any other way for one second. So once I became who I am, and knew myself, Mark, and I fell in love, and I certainly had a lot to give in a relationship, because I healed from within myself. When we heal from within, free of outside input, then we have that infinite strength of being. So I was 100% in who I am, and he was 100%, definitely 100%, in who he is. So we were 100-100 in our relationship. That way, we were able to just rock it forward and accomplish what we needed to accomplish in bringing truth to light and do it in the most productive manner possible, riding on wings of love, because again, love is the most powerful force in the universe.
That's a nice way to get to live. We weren't 50-50. We had no push pull. We didn't blame each other for stuff. If we disagreed on things, which we did… if we disagreed on things, then one of us got to learn something, usually me, which is really nice. And it was a wonderful way to get to be because when people disagree, that's an opportunity. It's not some negative thing. I don't know why people are conditioned to think that for one minute because ultimately, it allows for more growth, more expansion, and more, ways to complement each other. To be able to move forward and bring truth to light.
So that's what Mark and I did for 30 years, I have 30 years of absolute robotic mind control and 30 years of living with my soulmate and sharing our life's purpose and it was amazing. Right when I was turning 60, Mark passed away in 2017. I consciously chose then to honor him in every breath that I take, because he had given me so much, and I, I was going to carry on our life's purpose, I picked up the pen.
I started writing, because I knew it was so traumatic, I knew I was vulnerable. So I wrote, I wrote a zillion poems, and I had a lot of solutions. And a lot of beauty and realization that where my memories had been so dark for 30 years, of what I'd been tortured, to experience and all. Now I had 30 years of the most beautiful, loving memories, of fun, of progress, of being able to see people wake up. They were waking up in the 90s. People have been waking up for a long time, to the point where we were able to actually over ride the rigged algorithm of the electronic voting machines and put in a president by the sheer numbers in 2016 that would represent We The People.
I've witnessed an amazing progress through the years and throughout it all, I've been saying, for ever since I could think to do so, I've used my voice to let people know that elections are rigged. Ever since the inception of electronic voting machines in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, which was a trauma of the whole nation when this New World Order agenda took a stronghold on our nation. That's when those rigged electronic voting machines came in. They just wanted to make sure they had key people placed in certain positions in order to erode our constitutional values, to take over the education system, to erode our justice system, the key people in key places.
For so long, people were on to it, we knew we were trying to get paper ballots back in throughout the 90s. And the patriot movement was huge. Still by 2016. Enough people woke up to override that algorithm. So these perpetrators freaked out when they lost their plan.
In my 1995, testimony, Transformation of America, detailed who was to be placed in the office of president for ushering in the New World Order, and it was going to be kept in the Bush Clinton dynasties. And like I said, this was released in 1995. So it almost looked like either I was psychic or actually had they this plan in place. Hillary was supposed to bring in the New World Order in 2016. When that didn't happen, they panicked. And they panicked so bad, that they tipped their hand with Mind Control masked as a virus on a global population. They were trying to make up for lost time. They were frantic, they're hurrying, they're making mistakes.
Everybody's on to it, the Great Awakening just accelerated that much harder, that much faster. People are aware of exactly what's going on. We're going to have ways to go to preserve the integrity of elections going forward. But at least people know that, that they've been rigged for a long time. We need to stop the small handful of perpetrators from manipulating our minds and lives anymore.
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Speaker: Chuck
Yeah, it's interesting, the whole voting machines. I’m really hoping that this is the catalyst to get change. And it appears so to me, it's just a slow process. But I almost feel like, this last election was staged to go ahead and wake up the masses. I hope that’s so, that’s my positive light on it. Because it definitely seems like more states have taken this seriously. And maybe there's a chance going forward that it's going to be a lot more difficult to rig it, and we can be sure and keep the Bush and Clinton dynasties from getting back into the White House.
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Speaker: Cathy
Until we restore integrity to elections. We need to just be focused on governing ourselves, and reclaiming our free thought and our personal sovereignty so we can reclaim our national sovereignty most effectively, and know exactly who and what we're up against.
Transformation of America, when I was writing out my memories, Mark was handing it over to clean members of law enforcement and intelligence to investigate, and every thing. Transformation of America has been validated by those clean members, especially US Customs, under William Vaughn Rob, who is just an amazing, amazing hero.
There are good people in government, there are good people in intelligence, they just don't have a voice any more than we do. Until we stop this controlled media nonsense and the suppression of truth that's been going on for so long. The Transformation of America details all that information. Be careful of the free ebooks of trance that are all over the internet because they have been altered to fit a New World Order agenda. They have been altered too in a way that doesn't help survivors of MK Ultra mind control at all. And it's really disturbing to me that not only is truth suppressed, like mine was, it was suppressed under national security. Not only is it suppressed, but it's diluted, with with misinformation and then people's attention diverted from it. So always go to the source for information. I encourage everyone to do that.
My information is secured on my website, trance-formation.com. And I've got PTSD Time to Heal. They're the methods that Mark taught me. He couldn't release that information that he found was buried under national security on our mind brain function, on how we can all heal from trauma, reclaim and retain our free thought. He couldn't release it because he was bound by laws of sedition. But I could release it because it was my experience to heal. So I released it. And it's posted on my website, in ebook form. When mind control masked as a virus was unleashed on a global scale, I posted it with a pay what you can if you can, option so everyone can have it now regardless of income. I knew that the income part was coming too.
Every aspect of MK Ultra mind control, all the components of it have been, are being, imposed on society from the trauma to the neurolinguistic programming. The language of the subconscious satanic reversals, like when they tell us that violent riots are peaceful protests, you know, we know better, but still had the repetitiveness of it.
They have all these different aspects of MK Ultra mind control, and one is financial control. And we're all experiencing that right now. So I knew that was coming, hence the reason I secured PTSD Time to Heal on my website. That way everybody can have it now when they need it most. It’s up to each and every one of us, whether it's information control or we're just wanting to know how we can best deal with the trauma, help our children to know how to think again, instead of what to think, like they've been indoctrinated in the school system. So that's there.
Also Access Denied for Reasons of National Security is secured on my site because it details Mark’s and my journey through a corrupted justice, and so called mental health system, to help my daughter who was being horrifically abused in the so called Child Protective Services. We all are becoming aware of that problem in our society. And we need to know what we can do to get the federal government out of that part of protecting our children.
We need to get the FBI away from the kids and away from law enforcement because everybody has to rely on them to for the final word or whatever. They are designed for promoting the New World Order and to ensure the funding mechanism of drug and human trafficking across open borders. So the FBI has been bad from the get go. I know that because my owner in MK Ultra mind control US Senator Robert C. Byrd, who was head of appropriations, to make sure money was spent to promote the New World Order and make states rely on on federal funding for global education or Common Core or whatever.
Senator Byrd had an office in the FBI building so that he could set up the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as a catch net operation. We have a long way to go to clean things up. I don't know that anything as corrupt as the FBI can even be cleaned up. But until it is either eradicated or cleaned up or whatever, we need to govern our own lives and safeguard our children from federal overreach. We need to safeguard them from the so called child protective services. We got to get active in our communities, for our children's sake, it's imperative.
And all the books on my website have so much detail in them. It's empowering information. It's what people need. It's pieces of truth so that we can move forward faster in light of truth, that makes us free.
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Speaker: Chuck
Yes, I'll have links too in the show notes for anyone interested in the books as well. I had a question for you. Has anyone ever either, I doubt the actual abusers, but even maybe people who knew what was going on and did nothing, back when you're basically a slave, have any of those… Has anyone ever apologized to you for any of that in any way? Or given a hint that they felt remorse?
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Speaker: Cathy
Um, no, no one has ever, they're justified in their actions in their mind. They don't think like we do. So they don't really think that way. They're not like us, and they don't like us. They're, they're very different. They are very linear in their thinking, they don't have wisdom, they don't have that sole expression that they can relate to any of that. So I don't think it's ever come to mind for them to do that.
Instead, what they would do is, they thought they could trigger me back in, using their hand signals and their trigger words and stuff like that. And it didn't work, I just laughed at them. They looked silly, doing their little hand signals for nothing. And their paradigm shifted right on the spot. Because they thought that so many governments secrets and personal reputations were staked on their belief, that I couldn't remember what I'd been tortured to forget.
They never considered the strength of the human spirit. They can’t, they don't understand it, they only know that they're afraid of it, because it's where we win and where they lose. So when I held and I didn't respond to their triggering, their paradigm shifted, and it was really rewarding to me to see that. Because it freaked them out so bad. It's like their worst nightmare came true, they were seeing the strength of the human spirit and the power of love.
Like I said, they're just not like us. And wisdom out thinks a criminal mind every time. Once we've realized that, that they can't think like we do, and we start using our wisdom. We have all this height and depth. And there's so much with the power of love, and our soul expression, that they can't even, they can't relate to that aspect of our lives. That's where we win and they lose, they might be really intelligent, linear in their flat thinking, to the point of artificial intelligence and everything else. But again wisdom out thinks that.
It's why they're wanting to stop our soul expression so that they can just have us on their level, what they can relate to. But now, all we need to do is just reclaim our free thought and understand that it's inexcusable that we allow them to manipulate us any further.
They're not going to tell us they're sorry, they're not sorry. We've caught them in so many lies. Look how many lies have been exposed. Even since this mind control masked as a virus thing had hit, we've caught them in lie after lie. They don't apologize. They just justify it and go on about their business. They don't care if we know that, that they’re lying. They’re not apt to apologize to any of us.
What we need to do is just start having compassion for each other and learn to listen to each other and hear each other with our hearts and connect eye to eye, heart to heart, soul to soul again, put down our devices get away from the computer and the television and start interacting the way that humanity is intended to live.
45:09
Speaker: Chuck
Nice. Yeah, I didn't expect anyone to actually apologize to you. But I was curious if maybe one of them had somehow broken through their own mind control. But like you say, it's probably not even possible for them. They can't see life as like a holistic, spherical thing totally connected. It's just linear, and probably very primal based thinking. I mean, I can only imagine what they think, it's scary to think that way.
Like you said, we outnumber them, which is fine. And the only reason they even have a voice is because they control the media and can have their voice amplified and make us feel as if there are more of them than us, which it’s not, that's a great thing.
45:53
Speaker: Cathy
Yeah, they're like standing behind the wizards curtain pulling the levers, you know, to make them look great and powerful. We pull back the curtain and there, it's just so silly, that we're, that we're following them. And it's the same people over and over and over again, and you follow the money, it's the same people. But you know, it's, it's amazing how such a small handful has had so much influence for so long. Like Senator Byrd always often said, that “good people don't think to look for this kind of criminal activity.” And he thought that was a great thing, you know, he’s like, snark, snark. But, yeah, good people don't really think, they don't want to believe this is happening. And it's really difficult for them to see the reality of what is going on in our world. But we need to wake up and start taking responsibility for our own lives, use that ability to respond and start making a difference for the children's sake and for the sake of future generations. Now, while we can still think to do so,
47:04
Speaker: Chuck
Beautiful, beautiful, well said.
I don't want to keep you any longer. I know you've got things to do. We've pretty much used up an hour here. I want to thank you again Kathy, very much for coming on. And thank you for what you're doing. Your voice is amazing. The information you're putting out there is is incredible. Keep going. Don't stop.
47:24
Speaker: Cathy
I'm still here, I'm gonna keep going, keep bringing truth to light and live in love.
Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you very, very much. I appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. Because you’re giving me voice and you are the future. This is where we need to go. As with people like you making a difference right where they are. Thank you.
Speaker: Chuck
Well, thank you. Thank you Kathy for coming aboard. Being our inaugural guest. I could not have hoped for a better guest to start things off.
Everyone, please. I recommend that you go to Kathy's website, trance-formation.com where you can buy her books that we mentioned. Also, there's links there to her documentary that you can rent or buy. It's beautiful, very professional production, highly recommend it.
I'll have links to her website and everything in the transcripts and in the show notes.
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